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Re: Kite advancements over the last 10 years

Postby Gestalt » Fri Apr 30, 2021 12:01 am

I second the light weight revolution. The Aluula material is one of the largest changes likely to hit the industry in the last 10 years.
The rigidity, strength, lightness and subsequent agility which translates into performance gains is very impressive.

Also materials in Foil kites as well. I'm replacing my foil kite I bought 10 years ago with a new one. The kite fabric on 5-10 year old foil kites would start breaking down after about 500 hours, and now with the new material it's good to over 2500+ hours, a 5x improvement.

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Re: Kite advancements over the last 10 years

Postby kevink5516 » Fri Apr 30, 2021 5:31 pm

Hugh2 wrote:
Thu Apr 29, 2021 11:26 pm
Let us know what you decide to go with, these threads are often frustrating because the OP does not follow up.

For my 2 cents, I have a couple of kites older than 2015 that still work, but I find I seldom use them, and I love my newest kite, a 2020 10m Naish Pivot, it is simply an excellent kite, even if pricy and not available anymore.
I'll let you guys know what I end up with. I'm planning to take a refresher lesson sometime in the next month to make sure it all comes back to me before going out on my own. I also want to get the instructor's thoughts on sizing a quiver for me since I've gained a few lbs compared to when I started kiting as a high school kid 15 years ago. I'm currently thinking of going with good all around freeride kites to start out with and then I can switch to more specialized kites in a few years once I've progressed more. I've heard nothing but good things about the Pivots so I'm considering those and similar kites.

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Re: Kite advancements over the last 10 years

Postby edt » Fri Apr 30, 2021 8:18 pm

Love pivots but don't get one more than 2 years old because they recently got rid of their octopus system which is a hassle to repair

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Re: Kite advancements over the last 10 years

Postby jumptheshark » Fri Apr 30, 2021 9:05 pm

Funny thread.

I guess if your still riding a twin tip with standard LEI little has changed. Basic all-round LEI is definitely better, but...Comparing apples to apples,

The cab switchblade has't even changed colour. Still 5 strut, a bit less dacron. At least the bar has come into line. That thing was hideous for ages!
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Fuel, Well they finally killed it off, but it was a beast to the very end.

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RPM traded an M for a sexier letter.

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Pivot, well that one started in 2015 but as for Naish circa 2010, Best not remember.... They have had a good decade and have arguably gone from last to first when it comes to allrounder kite design.

Note: The torch has always ruled, may it persist in these dark times.
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Liquid Force is no longer and I hear Airush are still around but I’m not so sure.

Funny, looking at the pics, none of them have changed much.

Whatever,

Foiling happened.

If you went with that your on a different planet than 2010.

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Re: Kite advancements over the last 10 years

Postby kevink5516 » Mon May 03, 2021 7:31 pm

Well I ended up picking up some gear this weekend from a guy off the my local area kiteboarding group page. I was planning to wait until after taking a refresher lesson to buy but got a great deal (<$1000 USD) on 2 North Rebel kites (9/12m), a 2018 Trust bar with 5th line add-on, a practically new Ride Engine harness, and he threw in an older 2010 Underground board but it's too small for me so I'll be selling it to buy something bigger. He said the kites were 2017 model but the graphics look like 2016 to me when I compare them to photos online. They are definitely the pre-2018 5th line version but this doesn't bother me and the kites are in great shape with no repairs or damage. Even for 4 years old I think the price was a great deal. I need to grab a pump still and let them sit inflated for a few hours to check for any slow leaks which need repairing before taking them out.
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Re: Kite advancements over the last 10 years

Postby kitexpert » Mon May 03, 2021 9:48 pm

If taking struts off from kite is one of the biggest "developments" of last 10 years it is more sad than anything.

Aluula is real step forward but it is material development thing, not kite design so much. First Aluula kites are pretty much similar to other current kites, not as "advanced" designs as for instance Best Nemesis was with its ultra thin LE and flex elements. It also had more complex pulley system than any kite has now

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Re: Kite advancements over the last 10 years

Postby Topaz » Tue May 04, 2021 1:08 pm

kevink5516 wrote:
Mon May 03, 2021 7:31 pm
Well I ended up picking up some gear this weekend from a guy off the my local area kiteboarding group page. I was planning to wait until after taking a refresher lesson to buy but got a great deal (<$1000 USD) on 2 North Rebel kites (9/12m), a 2018 Trust bar with 5th line add-on, a practically new Ride Engine harness, and he threw in an older 2010 Underground board but it's too small for me so I'll be selling it to buy something bigger. He said the kites were 2017 model but the graphics look like 2016 to me when I compare them to photos online. They are definitely the pre-2018 5th line version but this doesn't bother me and the kites are in great shape with no repairs or damage. Even for 4 years old I think the price was a great deal. I need to grab a pump still and let them sit inflated for a few hours to check for any slow leaks which need repairing before taking them out.
Smart guy! No need to spend a fortune in a set of kites for learning. Later on, if you get hooked on kiting you'll know better what you like and go from there.

How small is the board? Don't ditch it without trying it.
The fifth line will help to relaunch the kite in light wind.
Eventually, the fifth line may wrap around the LE if the kites drops and tumbles. If you drop the kite and see the fifth line wrapping the LE, better release and swim back to the shore. I rode Rebels and Torches with fifth lines for years and never happened to me. I don't know how likely is that to happen. I guess kind of unlikely, but just be aware.

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Re: Kite advancements over the last 10 years

Postby matth » Tue May 04, 2021 1:23 pm

Maybe they just had it right ten years ago. Just like airplanes, they got it right 60 years ago and we basically still fly in the same planes...Including fighters.

I think the biggest advances have been in Control bars and much better pumps..

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Re: Kite advancements over the last 10 years

Postby sflinux » Tue May 04, 2021 3:46 pm

Strutless kites are the biggest innovation in the last 10 years. Every time I have to repair a leaky bladder with a multi-bladder single point inflation, I am reminded about the simplicity of a single bladder strutless design. Valves are expensive and cost-prohibitive to repair for some older multi-bladder kites. It's like having a timing chain, instead of a timing belt for a car's engine.

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Re: Kite advancements over the last 10 years

Postby kevink5516 » Tue May 04, 2021 4:56 pm

Topaz wrote:
Tue May 04, 2021 1:08 pm
Smart guy! No need to spend a fortune in a set of kites for learning. Later on, if you get hooked on kiting you'll know better what you like and go from there.

How small is the board? Don't ditch it without trying it.
The fifth line will help to relaunch the kite in light wind.
Eventually, the fifth line may wrap around the LE if the kites drops and tumbles. If you drop the kite and see the fifth line wrapping the LE, better release and swim back to the shore. I rode Rebels and Torches with fifth lines for years and never happened to me. I don't know how likely is that to happen. I guess kind of unlikely, but just be aware.
The board is a 2010 Underground FLX 132x39. I'm 6"2 and 185lbs. I could probably ride it in lit conditions but imagine I'll struggle with it and staying upwind would be a challenge on a board this small as I get my bearings back with the sport. Back when I was kiting 12 years ago, and 20lbs lighter, I was riding a Litewave Stealth 137. I forget the exact width of it but think it may have been a 137x43. I was thinking something in the 138-143 range would be more appropriate for me as board now.


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