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Re: Completely under the radar: sky country

Postby a99 » Fri Jan 14, 2022 9:58 pm

Those who have Hysper kites please do the video how it flying, especially if someone can compare and do video with peak on the flys. Thanks. To me most important turning speed comparission, because all other aspecs more less written there in forum. Seems its not so flutter as peak4

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Re: Completely under the radar: sky country

Postby leeuwen » Sun Jan 16, 2022 7:29 am

Adventure Logs wrote:
Fri Jan 14, 2022 5:49 pm
leeuwen wrote:
Fri Jan 14, 2022 10:30 am

If you compare the peak4 11m at 1,46kg versus the Kauper Falcon 11m full dualskin at 1,485 kg there is only 25 grams between them.
(could not quickly find peak5 weights)
So obviously there is room for weight improvements if that is your main focus.
Off course everything is a trade-off and you might lose durability in the process by e.g. using thinner cloths.
Big BIG difference. Why the falcon can be that light is the fabric is SUPER thin and fragile. People have torn the fabric on the Falcon by just slightly scraping it across the sand.

Compare that to the peak where you can crash it, scrape it all over the beach, and at the day, shove in a big wet muddy ball and it will just keep taking the beating.
I have one of the earlier falcon 11m since June.
Now at about 40 sessions on it on various type of beaches and mine is holding up great.
I never crashed the kite hard though but I did once swim in with some water in it which is also very taxing for the fabric.

So as long as the beach doesn’t have sticks or other sharp objects on it I am honestly more worried about it losing the coating/being airtight over time.

Anyhow, for something that also has a major land application a more sturdy build does make sense to me.
I also wonder how much can still be gained in flight properties by moving to a thinner/lighter build.
Eg going from 3kg to 1.5kg for an 10meter kite is noticeable but halving it again to 750gr might make for less of a difference.
Would be interesting if one brand did make an option for a lightweight cloth single skin just to see what the difference would be.
Or maybe they already did it for a prototype and decided it did not make sense.
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Re: Completely under the radar: sky country

Postby a99 » Sun Jan 16, 2022 9:09 pm

It is hard to believe but Hysper2 6m weights 140 gr less than just released Peak5 6m (880 gr). How they made it so light? From weight and hybrid features Hysper2 seems are 2 years ahead Fysurfers peaks (v6).
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Re: Completely under the radar: sky country

Postby Peter_Frank » Sun Jan 16, 2022 9:15 pm

I don't know....

Sure it is with bridles and mixer included?

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Re: Completely under the radar: sky country

Postby a99 » Sun Jan 16, 2022 9:20 pm

Peter_Frank wrote:
Sun Jan 16, 2022 9:15 pm
I don't know....
Sure it is with bridles and mixer included? 8) Peter
I think yes, with bridles and mixer, in one of users video seems i saw how he put it on weight measurement.
There is video of 6m behaviour on the foiling. Seems nice. Maybe those who had foiled a lot with peak 6m can comment it comparing?

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Re: Completely under the radar: sky country

Postby Peter_Frank » Sun Jan 16, 2022 9:48 pm

It sounds very odd....

Flysurfer uses the Soul2 cloth 33 g/m2 as far as I know.
Hysper-2 is with 36 g/m2.

And I know by self sight, that Peak5 has absolutely minimal ribs, stripped to almost nothing now.

Something seems to be wrong here, or I am mistaken here and Flysurfer uses a lot more durable heavy cloth than the 33 g/m2 :-?

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Re: Completely under the radar: sky country

Postby a99 » Sun Jan 16, 2022 10:54 pm

Hysper2 Materials:

fabric NCV Skytex 9017 E25
lines Liros dyneema DС-100, DC-60
bar lines Liros dyneema DC-300, DC-200
rollers Ronstan

That i have found seems that NCV Skytex 9017 E25 is 38 gr, Peak5 new material is 33 gr, but for leading edge Flysurfer using 44 gr material, plus a lot of plastic rod stiffeners.
(From Peak5 website text <<High ageing and tear resistance, three ripstop threads and enormous rigidity at only 33g / m² make the TX-Light the perfect fabric. The leading edge consists of 44g / m² DLX + fabric which better protects against abrasion and sharp-edged objects>>.
Also as one user wrote about Peaks <<There is also quite a lot plastic rod stiffeners in P4 and of course there is same in P5, if not more. If there is more rods it can explain if P5 looks better and flutters less when depowered>>).

So, it is not clear if Hysper2 also using a lot of plastic rod stiffeners, but if whole Hysper2 is made from 38 gr fabric (and with less or without plastic stiffeners) than maybe it is key answer why it is lighter on 140 gr than Peak5 6m with 33 gr and 44 gr materials plus plastic stiffeners mix).

By the way Hysper2 using Ronstan rollers, it is Australian solid company focusing on highend sailing products https://www.ronstan.com/marine/product-overview.asp\

I'm not related with Sky Country company and don’t have their products, just researching this kite for possible buying instead buying Peak5.
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Re: Completely under the radar: sky country

Postby kitexpert » Sun Jan 16, 2022 11:37 pm

That LesFoilz video is impressive, kite looks good and flies well. Fast climbing tells it is a very light weight kite.
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Re: Completely under the radar: sky country

Postby a99 » Mon Jan 17, 2022 12:09 am

kitexpert wrote:
Sun Jan 16, 2022 11:37 pm
That LesFoilz video is impressive, kite looks good and flies well. Fast climbing tells it is a very light weight kite.
Found one shorte video with slack of lines and recovery

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Re: Completely under the radar: sky country

Postby Regis-de-giens » Mon Jan 17, 2022 12:13 am

Just did my first ride today with my hysper2 8m2 and 1200 cm2 foil, in about 15-20 knots. Kite very powerfull in those wind, i had to trim. Si it correspond tonits upper comfort end. A bit flutter in 20 knots.

Works well , very stable , excellent drift. Very good upwind angle , suite close to double skin medium ratio if you agree to slow down. Very agile even if with full slack lignes.

Some bar pressure on this medium / high range of wind. Some little jumps possible, as well as 360's and 180 upwind but i found them more difficult than with double skins.

My mines where a bit to long for this kite and wind.

I felt that Closed leading edge bring rigidity during drift phases, which gives confidence in case of kite collapse limite.

About weight, one reason Could be that thé number of brides is lower than Peak, lower attachement point along thé chord. Also Bridles are very thon, thiner than Peak.

It has suite long plastic rods, almost half of thé chord.
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