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Re: Bad News! Corona Discussion

Postby Jan:) » Fri Jan 14, 2022 12:32 pm

Yes, obviously that is different constellation.

Before 2019 and the invention of mRNA based vaccines, mRNA was often discussed as a tool in gene therapy.

Now it is also often referred to as a tool in mRNA based vaccines.

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Re: Bad News! Corona Discussion

Postby marlboroughman » Fri Jan 14, 2022 12:57 pm


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Re: Bad News! Corona Discussion

Postby Matteo V » Fri Jan 14, 2022 4:20 pm

Jan:) wrote:
Fri Jan 14, 2022 11:42 am
Havre wrote:
Fri Jan 14, 2022 10:03 am
"scientists at Creative Biolabs provide a full range of services on mRNA-based gene therapy"
From Wikipedia: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gene_therapy

Gene therapy is a medical field which focuses on the genetic modification of cells to produce a therapeutic effect[1] or the treatment of disease by repairing or reconstructing defective genetic material.

Feel free to provide a better definition.

In your example above mRNA is used as a tool in gene therapy, to create a genetic modification of cells.

To my knowledge the mRNA vaccine does not modify the genom of cells.
That is why it is not gene therapy.
Just using the same tool - mRNA - does not mean it is the same thing.
Jan, you are incorrect!

mRNA vaccines such as the Pfizer and Moderna treatments, ARE gene therapy - but not gene editing (not intentionally, anyway).

The DNA in the nucleus contains the sequencing (information) for the production of proteins in your cells. No where in your DNA is there a sequence that instructs your cells to produce the Corona virus spike proteins.

So where does's the DNA sequencing (information) come from to instruct your cells to produce the foreign spike proteins? - it comes straight from Pfizer or Moderna's lab. Thus your cells are using genetic information not contained in your DNA, but genetic information, nonetheless. That is still considered "gene therapy", though it is obviously NOT intentional gene editing.

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Re: Bad News! Corona Discussion

Postby Matteo V » Fri Jan 14, 2022 4:38 pm

Havre wrote:
Fri Jan 14, 2022 10:03 am
I personally do not care much what we call it, but the term "gene therapy" did go through similar changes like "vaccine" and "herd immunity" did since we got Covid. You can easily find sources defining mRNA as "gene therapy" before 2019.
I do care what we call it.

Wasn't there some scientist that hated how bad the word "radiation" sounded and wanted to instead call it "sunshine units".

Using inaccurate terms in order to gain acceptance of anything good or bad is disingenuous at best, propaganda on average, and an outright lie at worst.

The reasoning for selling the mRNA gene therapy treatments as "vaccines" is that it sounds better. But it is still inaccurate. This redefining of "vaccine" to include these gene therapies is for the obvious reason that they want them to have some of the acceptance of actual proven vaccines for which we have long term safety and efficacy data.

And that is where the mRNA gene therapy "vaccines" fall short. There is no longterm safety data on these treatments. Nor do they even share a similar mechanism (some will disingenuously try to say that the end result is the same??) by which they work, or produce side effects.

Allowing your opponent to redefine what you are talking about.... well you've already lost at that point.

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Re: Bad News! Corona Discussion

Postby Adventure Logs » Fri Jan 14, 2022 4:55 pm

Thank god that even with all the fear mongering, exaggerations and flat out lies, and all the stupidity, I still live in a country that still respects at least some of our rights. Today I am proud to be an American.

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Re: Bad News! Corona Discussion

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Re: Bad News! Corona Discussion

Postby Bille » Sat Jan 15, 2022 12:47 am

Adventure Logs wrote:
Fri Jan 14, 2022 4:55 pm
... I still live in a country that still respects at least some of our rights. Today I am proud to be an American.
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Yea , me also --- but not just today ; I'm very proud of that
"Every Day" !!!

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Re: Bad News! Corona Discussion

Postby marlboroughman » Sat Jan 15, 2022 11:33 am

Trigger them and nuke them. I wonder who did he learn from, hm.
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Re: Bad News! Corona Discussion

Postby downunder » Sat Jan 15, 2022 4:50 pm

Adventure Logs wrote:
Fri Jan 14, 2022 4:55 pm
Thank god that even with all the fear mongering, exaggerations and flat out lies, and all the stupidity, I still live in a country that still respects at least some of our rights. Today I am proud to be an American.

But you are a professional who does what? If remember well, a pro soldier.

Who does what around the Planet? Sorry if untrue. Dont remember exactly...

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Re: Bad News! Corona Discussion

Postby Matteo V » Sat Jan 15, 2022 5:17 pm

marlboroughman wrote:
Sat Jan 15, 2022 11:33 am
Trigger them and nuke them. I wonder who did he learn from, hm.
https://rwmalonemd.substack.com/p/mass- ... -you-after
Yeah, that's the part of covid19 that I'm most interested in. The psychological aspects are definetly more dangerous than if the virus had a 1% to even 10% death rate. Hopefully, as the narrative surrounding it collapses..... well I hope none of those losing control of that narrative get the idea to release a virus with an above 1% death rate. Or let's hope that those other bio weapons labs funded by the US NIH or the Chinese WHO in 2nd and 3rd world countries, don't have another "accidental" leak.


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