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Re: 2022 What is the new best 17m tube kite for big air?

Postby bkkite » Wed Jan 19, 2022 12:09 am

bkkite wrote:
Wed Jan 19, 2022 12:07 am
Guttorm wrote:
Tue Jan 18, 2022 9:06 pm
These are maybe the hottest Big tubekites in 2022
Have someone tried any of these, what did you like/dislike about them?
Edge. 15/17
Xr7. 15/17
Nexus 2 15/17
Dt Juice 15/17
Flite. 14.5/17

And maybe there are others that should have been on this list?
Please help 👍
I rode the Flight 14.5 back to back w a 15m XR5, so I can speak to that. It turned much faster, which was nice (as to be expected). Its was blowing 15-19kts, and I found that I felt pretty overpowered on it during the gusts, and that the boosting wasn't nearly as good as the XR. My take away was that I prefer the higher performance characteristics of the XR5 15m, and that I would just fly a different kite in lighter winds or foil...

I've only been out on the Nexus 2 for as short while in the 15m size, but I own a 12m and a 9m. They turn faster than XRs, and drift quite a bit better, so they're better for foiling and surfing. They do ride like they are 1m or so smaller than the equivalent XR kite. Like my 12m Nexus feels like an 11m XR, etc, which makes sense since they aren't as high aspect ratio. For the boosting, they just require more technique, and they definitely don't float you down as gently as the XR... it was quite the suprise on my first jump, I just landed much harder :). Now I know you need to fly the kite a bit more actively on the decent.

I also flew the juice in a 17m a few years ago, and the only thing that I remember was that the depower didn't feel quite as good as the XRs. When I flew an XR4 19m... I could fly that thing up to 20kts no problem with the depower, it blew my mind.
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Re: 2022 What is the new best 17m tube kite for big air?

Postby RickI » Wed Jan 19, 2022 4:17 pm

It’s not 2022 unfortunately but my 19 m Cabrinha Contra is a favorite Kite. Its fast, maneuverable and has relatively light bar pressure. It saved a trip to TCI a while back when the trades dropped along with 160 cm twin tip Split Board. Instead, great times! I don’t weigh that much either, about 185 pounds or 84 kg. It’s a performer letting me ride shorter boards than otherwise.
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Re: 2022 What is the new best 17m tube kite for big air?

Postby dracop » Wed Jan 19, 2022 9:50 pm

I own a Duotone Aluula Juice 15m. Fantastic for jumps in light wind for a higher weight rider (225 lbs). The kite will keep riding down to 7-8mph altho I need about 12mph to load up 20ft jumps. In 30 mph winds on smaller kites I consistently jump 45-50ft doing tricks. The Aluula Juice requires a light wind specific twin tip with flattish rocker and squarish corners as the kite sits deep in the window in lighter wind and you need those board features to go upwind.

It will fly and pull in wind a normal Dacron kite simply will not fly in, with Dacron kites simply backstalling back to the water while the Juice keeps cranking without a flutter. Control/response stays crispy even in ultra light.

I have not had a chance to compare it to the OR Flite Aluula series; I do not feel any other brand would be a fair comparison. I used to own a 17m Blade Fat Lady and a 2014 16m Liquid Force NRG (extremely high AR light wind kite) which I learned on in Miami. The Aluula 15m radically outperforms what those kites were capable of in terms of raw power, light wind flight performance, jumping, and looping. Only caveat is that you really want something that tacks upwind aggressively relative to the kite's angle - anything with rocker or inward curving corners is going to generate straight downwinders. Those other kites let me upwind with wakestylish boards - the Juice NEEDs a Big Air/Freeride/Light Wind targeted board as a partner. To be fair those kites would just fall out of the sky in the wind I am riding my Aluula Juice in.

For light wind, the Aluula price premium (and its pricey $$$) is worth the extra performance all day everyday.
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Re: 2022 What is the new best 17m tube kite for big air?

Postby Toby » Wed Jan 19, 2022 10:28 pm

Dracop: please show us a video of a 18 ft jump in 12mph.

You have more weight than me and I have an 18 sqm kite...and never ever will reach 18 ft in 12mph....

Evidence please so I can believe it....

Assuming the wind is also 12mph in the height of the kite....
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Re: 2022 What is the new best 17m tube kite for big air?

Postby dracop » Wed Jan 19, 2022 10:48 pm

I have no way / method to prove the wind at kite level is 12mph. I have a nearby wind meter that reports to iKitesurf at a harbor.

But I can load up a 20ft jump when there are no whitecaps with this specific kite and small waves as kickers. If there is not a hint of a whitecap, its below 14mph. I base the 20ft jump height on my old PIQ which is the same device I use in stronger winds.

Once I drop into the ultra-light (8mph) the kite keeps flying and I can ride downwind but not jumping at that point. I base the 8mph lull on the local wind station showing lulls,avg,and gusts. I usually do a few surface riding kiteloops to crank up speed and power and avoid slowing down too much. 8mph = mowing the lawn.

Of all people YOU might like the new Aluula kites Toby since you like flying big kites for air style tricks. If you visit HI i can let you try mine out. Note that you really do need a bigger board for true light wind Toby. A 132 needs alot of horsepower from the kite to compensate. Get a 145+ light wind specific board and I bet money you could jump 20ft at 12mph on an 18m so long as that kite can still FLY.

Note: I do not have data on air density - local feels denser than Florida, lighter than CPT.
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Re: 2022 What is the new best 17m tube kite for big air?

Postby Guttorm » Tue Aug 16, 2022 12:41 pm

BIG KITE "TEST" for BIG GUYS :D

Now I have used for years & days the Core Xr3 15, Xr4 17, Xr5 15, Duotone Juice 17, Ozone Edge 17 & 19.
I am 114 kgs 202 cm 54 years and been kiting since 2000.

The Xr3 15 (years) and the Xr5 15 (days) have to be the exact same kite, I cant feel any difference betveen them, they have lots of low end power for the sice because of high caber and therefore lifts and jumps realy well without the need for full power to do that, but it also lowers the riding speed and upwind angle. they also turns the same nice, smooth and relaunches realy easy. they have medium bar pressure on the lightest setting.

The Xr4 17 (years) have less camber (so it pulls about the same as the XR3 and Xr5 in 15m2) so it sits furter forward in the wind window and therefore gives a 10-20% faster ride and a lot better upwind angles. It makes me feel younger and more fit :-D but It needs close to full power to jump realy well. This is possible the best fun easy and allround 17m kite for TT riding for most Big riders and beginners. everything is so easy on this kite.

The Duotone Juice 17 (1/2 year) is super smooth, it makes gusty conditions so easy, and it turns super smooth, it feels like it is spesial made for foiling in light wind. And it has light bar pressure.

The Ozone Edge 17 v8 (days) is my new TT favourit, it feels like the Xr4 17 but with 5-10% more power and a little more direct angry feeling, time will show, but it feels like this one is the best one getting the highest jumps, but the Xr4 feels more easy overall.

The Edge 19 (years) is a lot bigger and way more powerfull than any other 17m tube kite I have tried. its ultralight built, so it ways less kgs than the Edge 14, so it stays up in light wind wery well. The hang time is fantastic on this big kite, so learning new trix feels more easy and safe on this kite. If you are a realy BIG guy who wants to ride a TT in low wind on a fast lightwind board, this is the kite for you. (On my SS Glide, if anyone is able to kite on a TT no matter theyr sice I can to. Many times I am the only one out there on a TT.
But I have started foiling this season, so now my biggest kite is going to the beach will be a 17.

Hope this can help some of you BIG guys :thumb:
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Re: 2022 What is the new best 17m tube kite for big air?

Postby ham-er » Tue Aug 16, 2022 8:17 pm

RickI wrote:
Wed Jan 19, 2022 4:17 pm
It’s not 2022 unfortunately but my 19 m Cabrinha Contra is a favorite Kite. Its fast, maneuverable and has relatively light bar pressure. It saved a trip to TCI a while back when the trades dropped along with 160 cm twin tip Split Board. Instead, great times! I don’t weigh that much either, about 185 pounds or 84 kg. It’s a performer letting me ride shorter boards than otherwise.
Very cool pictures :thumb:

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Re: 2022 What is the new best 17m tube kite for big air?

Postby PullStrings » Wed Aug 17, 2022 2:30 am

I ride 17m 5 struts kite a lot and I mean a lot
I'm 164 lbs
A true 12 mph of wind at head level and in the kite itself is the minimum to get going and do 3ft jumps maximum for me
I'm on a 53.5cm wide / 21 inch surfboard with straps 5ft 2in 28.9L

Been kitesurfing 23 years and when I read BS like that .. aaaaarrrrrghhhhh !!

I don't care what Dracop says
He is 225 lbs on a 15m kite
I don't care how lightweight his kite is
Guys his size barely get on a plane going crosswind on the widest of TT with a 15m in 12 mph...and zero jumps...zero
So no way in 7-8mph that he is still riding also

In 12mph in the ocean whitecaps are starting
10.5 knots

People need to stop to report wind speed from stations somewhere around where they kite and use their common sense and experience for low wind 18 to 20ft jumps !!!

I have no problem reaching 18+ feet on my 17m when using my narrower strap surf 43.1 cm/ 16.87 in by 5ft 9in 17L but the wind is a true 22 mph

I guess some people are better than others at figuring what wind speed their kites are riding in


Dracop is just not good at it obviously

Had to be said

On a note
Some light winds are special
Gradient
Dense
Barely touches the water surface
Surreal power
Surreal jumps
But ""don't say"" you jump in ""12mph"" 18 feet high at 225lbs on a 15m
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Re: 2022 What is the new best 17m tube kite for big air?

Postby Toby » Wed Aug 17, 2022 4:26 am

we still are waiting for a video as proof ;-)

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Re: 2022 What is the new best 17m tube kite for big air?

Postby PullStrings » Wed Aug 17, 2022 3:43 pm

Don't hold your breath Toby

Don't know of anybody who gets to the beach and says great it's only 12 mph and it won't pick up

So glad that I can film myself jumping high today

I'll show the world what I can do on my wide TT and my super duper $$$$ 15m at my 225 lbs weight

It will be awesome !!!

And as further proof I'll provide at least 4 other videos on different days in the same wind speed

Those skeptics will eat their words

Ha ha

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