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Re: SLS vs non-SLS (Evo) - long-term durability, construction (thinner bladders?)

Postby andikite » Mon May 16, 2022 10:38 pm

dpublic wrote:
Fri May 13, 2022 5:59 pm
Hi
Can I ask you guys for an honest review/feedback on the SLS subject? I mean there is a ****load of generic "oh-wow" "reviews" on the matter which doesn't do any service to the community - all these look like a shamelessly generic sponsored material... What I mean is that after going through almost all North/Duotone models (Evo, Dice, Vegas+Neo) I'm looking for a really durable gear (Evo) that I will get old with (aborting my Vegas romance to make this happen :)

What I fished out from the marketing blurb keeps me questioning the durability of the SLS variant, hence questions

1. I can see Penta TX replacing Trinity TX - I think all good in the rip-stop department (5 filaments vs 3) - but the density had to be significantly lower (to achieve the advertised weight loss) - I guess age-related wear-and-tear, UV destruction and micro-damages will be faaaaar worse on the SLS?

2. Thinner bladders on the Evo SLS - is this true??? - this looks like an accident waiting to happen, right?

3. Any other comments on the subject of durability? Preferably some honest input from a rental with huge sample of ill-treated equipment (but I understand that it may be difficult to write openly).

Best regards
There is a mystake in your post. Penta TX is not a replacement of Trinity TX. Penta TX is the fabric of leading edge and struts which replaces normal Dacron. SLS kites still use Trinity TX in ripstop/canopy.

I have been using my Dices SLS quiver during several months and durability seems the same.
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Re: SLS vs non-SLS (Evo) - long-term durability, construction (thinner bladders?)

Postby dpublic » Mon May 16, 2022 10:42 pm

SpaceRacer wrote:
Mon May 16, 2022 5:23 pm
I think it is weird that there have been no replies on this question. I cannot comment on the performance of SLS as I have not ridden one but as a dedicated North/DT rider since 2008 I still have kites that are 10 years old, well used and still in good shape so unless the SLS blow the doors off of non-SLS in the performance category I can't imagine that they are far more superior in durability. MHO
The thing is that it looks like their kites generations from ~2013 to ~2019 were build in a more solid way (more reinforcements - I can fully confirm this on my Vegases + Neos - the latter got broken in half but only after it received a high-five from o slabby 6m wave). Look at melias' post - for me the trailing edge in last generations look like an accident waiting to happen.
On a side note - I saw North Reach on the beach, I guess model circa 2021/2022, and it looks like a really-really solid built kite. Something like NKB/Duotone used to be. But having to zero-in on a proper model in their lineup just throws me away. As far as I understand Orbit==Rebel, Reach==Evo?

I don't like this trend in DT gear - I don't care for a 1-2 kts better low-end-per-size if that means a single tomahawk after an unsuccessful trick tears a 1.5k+ USD kite in half. Or some flapping results in weakening the trailing edge (I never leave the kite to flap on the beach if I don't actively use it, though)... These things are really pricey to break so easily.

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Re: SLS vs non-SLS (Evo) - long-term durability, construction (thinner bladders?)

Postby rnelias » Mon May 16, 2022 11:53 pm

dpublic wrote:
Mon May 16, 2022 10:31 pm
rnelias wrote:
Mon May 16, 2022 6:07 pm
I can't say nothing about SLS versions but some non-SLS 2021 Duotone kites presented issues on the leading edge. The rip stop close to the leading edge started to present micro fractures. It seems they reduced the thickness of the leading edge turning it less resistant to flapping.
Just to make sure: @rnelias : did you mean the trailing edge (where the white dacron line is visible)? That would be fully compatible with my intuition that they wakened a critical part of the kite. Moreover the 2022 non-SLS seems to have the same weak spot, no improvement was done there :(
yeah... sorry... trailing edge. I've messed the correct english word ("bordo de fuga" in portuguese).

I'm correcting the original post for future references. Thanks!
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Re: SLS vs non-SLS (Evo) - long-term durability, construction (thinner bladders?)

Postby rnelias » Tue May 17, 2022 12:11 am

dpublic wrote:
Mon May 16, 2022 10:42 pm

The thing is that it looks like their kites generations from ~2013 to ~2019 were build in a more solid way (more reinforcements - I can fully confirm this on my Vegases + Neos - the latter got broken in half but only after it received a high-five from o slabby 6m wave). Look at melias' post - for me the trailing edge in last generations look like an accident waiting to happen.
On a side note - I saw North Reach on the beach, I guess model circa 2021/2022, and it looks like a really-really solid built kite. Something like NKB/Duotone used to be. But having to zero-in on a proper model in their lineup just throws me away. As far as I understand Orbit==Rebel, Reach==Evo?

I don't like this trend in DT gear - I don't care for a 1-2 kts better low-end-per-size if that means a single tomahawk after an unsuccessful trick tears a 1.5k+ USD kite in half. Or some flapping results in weakening the trailing edge (I never leave the kite to flap on the beach if I don't actively use it, though)... These things are really pricey to break so easily.
The comparison is correct. I'm usually buying and selling second hand kites (kind of a hobby for me and gives me the chance to "demo" the kites without having to rely on demo days). Orbits are faster than Rebels but pulls a little less. I had an Orbit 10m 2022 and still have a Rebel 9m 2019. They both pulls practically the same and are comparable in some sense respecting 1m size difference.

Regarding kite construction, my personal observation from the kites I had/have here, Naish (Boxer), Slingshot (SST) and Elev8 (RS) (*) are the best. For reference, I should also mention other brands that I had for some time like Duotone (Rebel, Evo), North (Orbit and Reach), Ozone (Alpha) and F-One (Bandit). All of these, 2019 or newer. Never had Cores neither Cabrinhas.

(*) I don't like Elev8 bars. The kite has a solid construction but the bars get worn-out very fast.
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Re: SLS vs non-SLS (Evo) - long-term durability, construction (thinner bladders?)

Postby Aberdovy kiter » Tue May 17, 2022 7:23 am

I've had my 12m evo sls, 13 months, used it roughly about 30hrs (I keep a kiting diary ) I self launch mostly so kite does get dragged, usually gets landed by someone or by land anchor, i do try to progress so the kite does get crashed every session, never in big breaking swell thou, the leading edge material does seem to resist scratching and haven't noticed anything worth worrying about. The biggest complaint is the plastic spars which snapped and damaged the canopy, duotone replaced with metal ones, and the useless airport valve.
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Re: SLS vs non-SLS (Evo) - long-term durability, construction (thinner bladders?)

Postby Exal » Thu May 19, 2022 2:41 pm

Aberdovy kiter wrote:
Tue May 17, 2022 7:23 am
I've had my 12m evo sls, 13 months, used it roughly about 30hrs (I keep a kiting diary ) I self launch mostly so kite does get dragged, usually gets landed by someone or by land anchor, i do try to progress so the kite does get crashed every session, never in big breaking swell thou, the leading edge material does seem to resist scratching and haven't noticed anything worth worrying about. The biggest complaint is the plastic spars which snapped and damaged the canopy, duotone replaced with metal ones, and the useless airport valve.
Did you have a chance to compare it with a normal 2021 or later evo in 12m? I have a 2019 evo in 12m that I want to replace, kite is still fine but since it is my most used kite I'd rather replace that one before my next holiday trip. Even with good deals I think the price for the SLS is ludicrous but at the same time I am a sucker for buying the new and better thing.

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Re: SLS vs non-SLS (Evo) - long-term durability, construction (thinner bladders?)

Postby sarc » Thu May 19, 2022 4:58 pm

dpublic wrote:
Mon May 16, 2022 10:42 pm
SpaceRacer wrote:
Mon May 16, 2022 5:23 pm
I think it is weird that there have been no replies on this question. I cannot comment on the performance of SLS as I have not ridden one but as a dedicated North/DT rider since 2008 I still have kites that are 10 years old, well used and still in good shape so unless the SLS blow the doors off of non-SLS in the performance category I can't imagine that they are far more superior in durability. MHO
The thing is that it looks like their kites generations from ~2013 to ~2019 were build in a more solid way (more reinforcements - I can fully confirm this on my Vegases + Neos - the latter got broken in half but only after it received a high-five from o slabby 6m wave). Look at melias' post - for me the trailing edge in last generations look like an accident waiting to happen.
On a side note - I saw North Reach on the beach, I guess model circa 2021/2022, and it looks like a really-really solid built kite. Something like NKB/Duotone used to be. But having to zero-in on a proper model in their lineup just throws me away. As far as I understand Orbit==Rebel, Reach==Evo?

I don't like this trend in DT gear - I don't care for a 1-2 kts better low-end-per-size if that means a single tomahawk after an unsuccessful trick tears a 1.5k+ USD kite in half. Or some flapping results in weakening the trailing edge (I never leave the kite to flap on the beach if I don't actively use it, though)... These things are really pricey to break so easily.
I was very disappointed with durability of my 2017 Rebel. I posted on this before. The last durable Northone kite I had was 2017 Rebel. Now on North Reach and Carve.

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Re: SLS vs non-SLS (Evo) - long-term durability, construction (thinner bladders?)

Postby Aberdovy kiter » Thu May 19, 2022 6:17 pm

Exal wrote:
Thu May 19, 2022 2:41 pm
Aberdovy kiter wrote:
Tue May 17, 2022 7:23 am
I've had my 12m evo sls, 13 months, used it roughly about 30hrs (I keep a kiting diary ) I self launch mostly so kite does get dragged, usually gets landed by someone or by land anchor, i do try to progress so the kite does get crashed every session, never in big breaking swell thou, the leading edge material does seem to resist scratching and haven't noticed anything worth worrying about. The biggest complaint is the plastic spars which snapped and damaged the canopy, duotone replaced with metal ones, and the useless airport valve.
Did you have a chance to compare it with a normal 2021 or later evo in 12m? I have a 2019 evo in 12m that I want to replace, kite is still fine but since it is my most used kite I'd rather replace that one before my next holiday trip. Even with good deals I think the price for the SLS is ludicrous but at the same time I am a sucker for buying the new and better thing.
No, previous kites where north rebels, which look after 5 years a bit battered.

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Re: SLS vs non-SLS (Evo) - long-term durability, construction (thinner bladders?)

Postby sarc » Fri May 20, 2022 6:21 am

sarc wrote:
Thu May 19, 2022 4:58 pm
dpublic wrote:
Mon May 16, 2022 10:42 pm
SpaceRacer wrote:
Mon May 16, 2022 5:23 pm
I think it is weird that there have been no replies on this question. I cannot comment on the performance of SLS as I have not ridden one but as a dedicated North/DT rider since 2008 I still have kites that are 10 years old, well used and still in good shape so unless the SLS blow the doors off of non-SLS in the performance category I can't imagine that they are far more superior in durability. MHO
The thing is that it looks like their kites generations from ~2013 to ~2019 were build in a more solid way (more reinforcements - I can fully confirm this on my Vegases + Neos - the latter got broken in half but only after it received a high-five from o slabby 6m wave). Look at melias' post - for me the trailing edge in last generations look like an accident waiting to happen.
On a side note - I saw North Reach on the beach, I guess model circa 2021/2022, and it looks like a really-really solid built kite. Something like NKB/Duotone used to be. But having to zero-in on a proper model in their lineup just throws me away. As far as I understand Orbit==Rebel, Reach==Evo?

I don't like this trend in DT gear - I don't care for a 1-2 kts better low-end-per-size if that means a single tomahawk after an unsuccessful trick tears a 1.5k+ USD kite in half. Or some flapping results in weakening the trailing edge (I never leave the kite to flap on the beach if I don't actively use it, though)... These things are really pricey to break so easily.
I was very disappointed with durability of my 2017 Rebel. I posted on this before. The last durable Northone kite I had was **2014** Rebel. Now on North Reach and Carve.


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