I was on the 2022 Union 12m on the low bar pressure setting. I agree that I would not qualify it high bar pressure (the Dice 2022 is), but it's definitely not light bar pressure. I would qualify it as medium +. I did not try the 9m. But to me the 12m looped wide and slow.elmarco wrote: ↑Fri Jun 24, 2022 1:44 pmcompletely disagree that the union has high bar pressure. quite the opposite, it's pretty far on the light bar pressure side.
I loop and unhook on the union and love it. it always catches you.
What size were you on? I generally only unhook on the 12m, and only loop 9 or smaller.
Some low 12m loops, but nothing big.
There you go, we have a 2-year old expert, with definitive opinions and telling me I am doing something wrong
The years is not so important if I have skill and understanding I could give advices. If you are on the same level last 10 years you can’t. I start doing loops just couple month ago and I can do it now in the apex of high jump with downloop on landing and almost 100% ride away. Anyway I think it is important to separate two things bar pressure and yank. The Dice have a lot of bar pressure that’s true and it is very comfortable you always know where is your kite in the trick and what is he doing and going to do. But if you pull bar hard enough loops could be really compact with super low yank even if you do that loops in the power zone of wind window. I would compare it with GTS. May be on GTS it is easier to do a compact loop but on Dice you could do the same small radius and low power yank. For example using Orbit you could do loops way easier than with a Dice in terms of bar pressure but the radius and yank wouldn’t be better. I still don’t go for megaloops just one or twice but I did a lot of compact loops high in the air in front of me and from that experience I have a strong feeling Dice would be very comfortable for megaloops also. Just in last months I tried GTS and XR, Reach, Orbit and some other kites I already don’t remember. All modern kites have perfect performance some of them better for one some for another it is more question of taste. Choice by color is not a mistake for sure )iwave wrote: ↑Fri Jun 24, 2022 9:42 pmThere you go, we have a 2-year old expert, with definitive opinions and telling me I am doing something wrong
How many kites have tried in 2 years?
I tried the Dice in previous versions and it was quite different than this year.
I was on the 2022 12m Dice on the soft setting (low bar pressure setting).
To me, the Dice 2022 12m is high bar pressure (by a margin because it was hard even on the soft setting).
I am used to ride with my hands in the middle of the bar, with 1 finger over the center line. With most kites I can still steer in this position. I could not reliably steer the Dice in this position (I could not apply enough force). I think it is designed this way so it is very stable, but it results in high bar pressure.
For looping, I really had to crank the bar hard to loop properly.
Previous versions of the Dice were not like that (back in 2016/2017), it was very soft, very agile but with poor boosting ability.
The 12m 2022 was the opposite, high bar pressure, (relatively) slow, but good boosting performance.
If on your scale, the Dice 12m 2022 is fast with fast loops, that's great! But not on my scale. I am glad it works for you though.
BTW, my post was not about the Dice. The Dice was used as a reference point (for those who tried the 2022).
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