Contact   Imprint   Advertising   Guidelines

"The Hybrid" from Flysurfer

For all foil kite riders
Okkiteboarder
Medium Poster
Posts: 146
Joined: Sat Sep 29, 2018 2:52 pm
Local Beach: I kite in Oklahoma at Lake Keystone, Hefner, and Eufaula Lake
Favorite Beaches: My favorite beaches are: Maui, Cozumel, St. Pete, and home in Oklahoma
Style: Kite Foil and Wingfoil
Gear: Flysurfer, Delta Foils, FOne, jAxis, and Duotone
Brand Affiliation: None
Has thanked: 24 times
Been thanked: 71 times

Re: "The Hybrid" from Flysurfer

Postby Okkiteboarder » Mon Sep 26, 2022 2:14 pm

The hybrid is great at relaunching. I will be putting out a full review once the release date occurs. It is a great water relauncher, even after hitting your QR and regathering. I think the hybrid will bring in a number of foilers that simply wouldn’t use a single skin peak due to its low ability to water relaunch and also riders that just want piece of mind. If you gain that and not lose much of the Peak performance, I think it’s a win.

User avatar
bitxopalo
Medium Poster
Posts: 109
Joined: Tue Apr 20, 2021 10:08 pm
Kiting since: 2020
Weight: 65
Style: Lazy style
Gear: Gong Matata 5.0
flysurfer peak 3&5
Gong Allvator curve M
Concept'air Pulsion 12&18
Brand Affiliation: None
Has thanked: 109 times
Been thanked: 47 times

Re: "The Hybrid" from Flysurfer

Postby bitxopalo » Mon Sep 26, 2022 2:29 pm

a99 wrote:
Mon Sep 26, 2022 12:10 pm
.......The risk that hybrid will have also issues with relaunching in waves is obvious. I think all depends still on time frame, probably first 10-15 seconds crucial for success, if not than the same problems as with Peak ,because Double skin surface is relatively small.
In my experience the main factor that avoid a peak4-5 to relaunch appears when there is water in the open leading edge ... Once LE is down, there is little succes ratio... Cos the water cannot pass from one cell to another one, and has no outlet.
So is very difficult to flip it.

I think the hybrid wont have this issue, so it must relaunch as well as a twinskin.

Concept'air has released recently the 3* generation of the firefly... I would be surprised if the hybrid would beat that one
https://www.lesfoilz.com/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?t=5604

grigorib
Very Frequent Poster
Posts: 3485
Joined: Mon Aug 01, 2016 8:12 pm
Kiting since: 2009
Local Beach: OBX; Clinton Lake, IL; Lake Michigan; Hood River; La Ventana; SPI; Tawas, MI
Gear: Kites: Slingshot Rally 5/7/9/11m, Turbine 9/13m, SST 4/5m, UFO 3/5/7/9m, Flysurfer Speed4 10m standard, Flysurfer 2cool 6m, Peter Lynn Venom II ARC 16m

Boards: Spleene RIP 37, Flysurfer Radical6 138, Flysurfer Flydoor5 XL, Slingshot/Moses/RDB 70/90/91/101cm masts with 1200/860/800/730/600 wings and 310/230/425 stabilizers, 36" Woody, Slingshot Dwarfcraft Micro 100, MBS Comp 95x

For sale: Slingshot Turbine 9/13m, 20/23” Guardian/Sentinel bars, 70/90cm carbon masts, 1700 sq.cm wing/fuselage/stabilizer fitting Moses mast, Moses 590/330 wing/stabilizer with fuselage plus 1200 sq.cm lightwind wing
.
Brand Affiliation: None
Has thanked: 328 times
Been thanked: 505 times

Re: "The Hybrid" from Flysurfer

Postby grigorib » Mon Sep 26, 2022 2:44 pm

I think if guys multiply number of ribs, both inside the closed cell section and behind it as well - kite shape would be more streamlined. If you look at Ozone XXLite, it’s as clean as any other wing and I used example of XXLite talking to Armin about funny wingtip shape of earlier Peaks.
Hybrid is an awesome concept, I hope it develops

User avatar
Peter_Frank
Very Frequent Poster
Posts: 11685
Joined: Wed Oct 16, 2002 1:00 am
Brand Affiliation: None
Location: Denmark
Has thanked: 622 times
Been thanked: 814 times

Re: "The Hybrid" from Flysurfer

Postby Peter_Frank » Tue Sep 27, 2022 5:48 am

a99 wrote:
Mon Sep 26, 2022 11:07 am
irwe wrote:
Mon Sep 26, 2022 10:34 am
Another Review
seems it is usual Peak5 6m, this is not hybrid in the video.

True, it is the current Peak5 and not the hybrid.

8) Peter

User avatar
PugetSoundKiter
Frequent Poster
Posts: 259
Joined: Sat Feb 20, 2016 5:53 pm
Style: Wake TT, Strapless Surfboard, Landboard
Gear: Cabrinha, Ocean Rodeo, Slingshot, Naish, North, Pansh, Ozone, HQ, Peter Lynn
Brand Affiliation: None
Has thanked: 52 times
Been thanked: 37 times

Re: "The Hybrid" from Flysurfer

Postby PugetSoundKiter » Tue Sep 27, 2022 7:23 pm

bitxopalo wrote:
Mon Sep 26, 2022 2:29 pm
In my experience the main factor that avoid a peak4-5 to relaunch appears when there is water in the open leading edge ... Once LE is down, there is little succes ratio... Cos the water cannot pass from one cell to another one, and has no outlet.
So is very difficult to flip it.
Peaks have a drain hole on the lower outside of the left & right outer cells. Would a drain hole on the lower inside of the left & right outer cells help?
These users thanked the author PugetSoundKiter for the post:
bitxopalo (Wed Sep 28, 2022 6:47 am)
Rating: 6.67%

User avatar
lederhosen
Frequent Poster
Posts: 232
Joined: Tue Apr 03, 2018 10:02 pm
Kiting since: 2017
Weight: 80kg
Gear: Kitech FRS 9m, 12m
Peak4 3m
Peak5 4m, 6m
Best Cabo 11m

Zeeko Spitfire xlw
Eleveight Process 135
JN Sunset 146
Brand Affiliation: None
Has thanked: 70 times
Been thanked: 53 times

Re: "The Hybrid" from Flysurfer

Postby lederhosen » Tue Sep 27, 2022 7:33 pm

PugetSoundKiter wrote:
Tue Sep 27, 2022 7:23 pm
bitxopalo wrote:
Mon Sep 26, 2022 2:29 pm
In my experience the main factor that avoid a peak4-5 to relaunch appears when there is water in the open leading edge ... Once LE is down, there is little succes ratio... Cos the water cannot pass from one cell to another one, and has no outlet.
So is very difficult to flip it.
Peaks have a drain hole on the lower outside of the left & right outer cells. Would a drain hole on the lower inside of the left & right outer cells help?
Maybe poking a hole in the center of the leading edge could help drain water to reverse start. But it’s probably better to sell the peaks to snowkiters since the season starts soon and get a hybrid instead.
These users thanked the author lederhosen for the post:
PugetSoundKiter (Thu Sep 29, 2022 3:43 am)
Rating: 6.67%

User avatar
bitxopalo
Medium Poster
Posts: 109
Joined: Tue Apr 20, 2021 10:08 pm
Kiting since: 2020
Weight: 65
Style: Lazy style
Gear: Gong Matata 5.0
flysurfer peak 3&5
Gong Allvator curve M
Concept'air Pulsion 12&18
Brand Affiliation: None
Has thanked: 109 times
Been thanked: 47 times

Re: "The Hybrid" from Flysurfer

Postby bitxopalo » Wed Sep 28, 2022 6:52 am

PugetSoundKiter wrote:
Tue Sep 27, 2022 7:23 pm

Peaks have a drain hole on the lower outside of the left & right outer cells. Would a drain hole on the lower inside of the left & right outer cells help?
No, I feel it wont help.
you would have to make holes in ALL separations of the cells... To allow the water to go from one tip to another... So you can slowly flip the kite.

I thought about it, but I do not have the skills, so... Bad to resell the kite...

Until the hybrid arrives :wink: ... is better learn how to restart the kite :thumb:




....
These users thanked the author bitxopalo for the post:
PugetSoundKiter (Thu Sep 29, 2022 3:43 am)
Rating: 6.67%

IWantToFly
Medium Poster
Posts: 104
Joined: Wed Jul 08, 2020 9:43 pm
Kiting since: 2019
Weight: 73kg
Local Beach: Jones Beach, Sauvie Island, Floras Lake, the Gorge, OR coast, La Ventana
Favorite Beaches: La Ventana, the Gorge
Style: I wish
Gear: Groove Skate Pro 110cm
Kanaha Shapes 42” (106cm)
Triton T1 Monowing
Lift Classic 170
Litewave Wing 155, Kick-S 139
OR Mako 140
Naish Pivot 6, 8, 10
Flysufer Soul 12, Peak5 5m
Cloud 3.7, 4.8, 6.2, 8
Pansh 7/11
Brand Affiliation: None
Has thanked: 21 times
Been thanked: 21 times

Re: "The Hybrid" from Flysurfer

Postby IWantToFly » Mon Oct 03, 2022 7:57 am

Hey FS, it’s October… :jump:

grigorib
Very Frequent Poster
Posts: 3485
Joined: Mon Aug 01, 2016 8:12 pm
Kiting since: 2009
Local Beach: OBX; Clinton Lake, IL; Lake Michigan; Hood River; La Ventana; SPI; Tawas, MI
Gear: Kites: Slingshot Rally 5/7/9/11m, Turbine 9/13m, SST 4/5m, UFO 3/5/7/9m, Flysurfer Speed4 10m standard, Flysurfer 2cool 6m, Peter Lynn Venom II ARC 16m

Boards: Spleene RIP 37, Flysurfer Radical6 138, Flysurfer Flydoor5 XL, Slingshot/Moses/RDB 70/90/91/101cm masts with 1200/860/800/730/600 wings and 310/230/425 stabilizers, 36" Woody, Slingshot Dwarfcraft Micro 100, MBS Comp 95x

For sale: Slingshot Turbine 9/13m, 20/23” Guardian/Sentinel bars, 70/90cm carbon masts, 1700 sq.cm wing/fuselage/stabilizer fitting Moses mast, Moses 590/330 wing/stabilizer with fuselage plus 1200 sq.cm lightwind wing
.
Brand Affiliation: None
Has thanked: 328 times
Been thanked: 505 times

Re: "The Hybrid" from Flysurfer

Postby grigorib » Mon Oct 03, 2022 3:43 pm

bitxopalo wrote:
Wed Sep 28, 2022 6:52 am
PugetSoundKiter wrote:
Tue Sep 27, 2022 7:23 pm

Peaks have a drain hole on the lower outside of the left & right outer cells. Would a drain hole on the lower inside of the left & right outer cells help?
No, I feel it wont help.
you would have to make holes in ALL separations of the cells... To allow the water to go from one tip to another... So you can slowly flip the kite.

I thought about it, but I do not have the skills, so... Bad to resell the kite...

Until the hybrid arrives :wink: ... is better learn how to restart the kite :thumb:




....
Peak water relaunch is for adventurous folks. I’m going to take my Flysurfer 2cool 6m to OBX and play with it in few weeks
viewtopic.php?p=1149342#p1149342

drsurf
Frequent Poster
Posts: 460
Joined: Fri Sep 07, 2018 5:42 pm
Kiting since: 2000
Local Beach: NSW South Coast
Gear: Too much too describe
Brand Affiliation: Whatever I sell
Has thanked: 28 times
Been thanked: 228 times
Contact:

Re: "The Hybrid" from Flysurfer

Postby drsurf » Mon Oct 03, 2022 5:01 pm

grigorib wrote:
Mon Oct 03, 2022 3:43 pm
bitxopalo wrote:
Wed Sep 28, 2022 6:52 am
PugetSoundKiter wrote:
Tue Sep 27, 2022 7:23 pm

Peaks have a drain hole on the lower outside of the left & right outer cells. Would a drain hole on the lower inside of the left & right outer cells help?
No, I feel it wont help.
you would have to make holes in ALL separations of the cells... To allow the water to go from one tip to another... So you can slowly flip the kite.

I thought about it, but I do not have the skills, so... Bad to resell the kite...

Until the hybrid arrives :wink: ... is better learn how to restart the kite :thumb:



....
Peak water relaunch is for adventurous folks. I’m going to take my Flysurfer 2cool 6m to OBX and play with it in few weeks
viewtopic.php?p=1149342#p1149342
The Peak water relaunch issue is not really an issue at all for most users in my experience. For the last 3 years I've been foiling with Peak 4 & 5 kites almost exclusively and have only had 3 or 4 pack up and swim episodes in that time. Since I've had the Peak5 kites I've had a 100% success rate relaunching. And the practice I've had for relaunching has come from the event and not standing in shallow water and practicing as I have advised :oops:

Most times I've dropped a Peak, once I got used to their characteristics which only took a couple of sessions, have been through complete inattention or distraction or gybing carelessly in under 8 knots. They are so easy to fly and keep in the air you almost forget you're flying a kite. And in light conditions it's easier to keep a Peak flying than virtually any other kite, so they're less likely to drop and require a swim than an LEI kite.
In case you thought this is just my extraordinary skill, other competent foilers using Peaks at my local beach have had also not had any problems with their Peaks which have dissuaded them from using a Peak most of the time. Grigor your sense of "adventure" is sadly lacking :D

Most of the time I'm using Peak5 kite sizes 2.5m, 4m, and 5m for my 67kg in winds from 8 to 30 knots. Water conditions are choppy and I do venture up to 1km off shore so I'm not just playing it safe mowing the lawn out & back 200m. However my advice to anyone is do not go out further than you're prepared to safely swim with any kite!

I'm really interested in the Hybrid as I sell Flysurfer kites and I've already received expressions of interest from my customers about the Hybrid. Like any kite, gaining a feature in one area can meaning losing some capability in another area. So I'm really looking forward to foiling with a Hybrid to see how it performs compared to the Peaks.


Return to “Foil Kites”

Who is online

Users browsing this forum: No registered users and 0 guests