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Rebel 2021 vs SLS

Postby galzohar » Mon Sep 19, 2022 11:25 pm

I originally started this thread where we discussed old school and kitelooping kite recommendations:
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Figures this warrants it's own thread as it's a more specific question.

I'm still not sure about which size to get (12m, 13m or 14m). Local shop has a non-SLS 2021 13m rebel used in supposedly good condition (need to go verify that) I considered buying, both to get a kite quickly (as anything over 12m would require a long wait, could be months), and to try it out for a season or 2 to get a better feel for what size I actually need. If I decide to wait I can still try stuff with my 14m FX so it's not that I have nothing to kite with, but it has poor airtime. Price is about 40-50% of a new Rebel SLS of that size. Will probably buy a new bar either way.

Has anyone managed to do a proper back to back comparison to tell the real differences between the 2021 and the SLS? Is there going to be any significance for learning old school tricks (slides, boardoffs, etc)?

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Re: Rebel 2021 vs SLS

Postby dracop » Mon Sep 19, 2022 11:36 pm

The 2022 SLS is actually really different than the 2021 and earlier models. It has older Rebel DNA but it flies like the offspring of the 2022 Dice and 2021 Rebel. It loops neat in 12m and gives you that extra height the Dice is light on (until you get to 30+ kts)

The 2021 will be easier for old school and passive freeride

If you want kiteloops get the newer one

Few kites loop well 13m+; I own the 12m Rebel SLS and if you load it, pop it off a kicker, and boost as you are off the water - it will send you soaring up AND loop smoothly.

The new one is alot more full technique driven whereas the old one only needed boosting - the benefit comes in speed, reactivity, and kite loops. The PRICE TAG (aside from money) comes in a softer passive pull and a higher skill level requirement.

I was watching Liam Whaleys interview on Rebel vs Dice and for 2021 I agreed but for a 2022 Rebel SLS I do not agree at all - the 2022 SLS responds alot to technique. He was using prior years impressions without updating his view. Take the V Distributor off and use 22m lines and the kite loops beautifully.
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Re: Rebel 2021 vs SLS

Postby galzohar » Tue Sep 20, 2022 12:18 am

This is mostly for <23 knots (which is the more common wind range here), for looping I think I'll get a 9m Orbit. So you think for oldchool there is no real advantage to SLS? What about light wind (14-15 knots), or is the weight difference not significant enough to matter?

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Re: Rebel 2021 vs SLS

Postby Blackened » Tue Sep 20, 2022 1:44 am

dracop wrote:
Mon Sep 19, 2022 11:36 pm
I was watching Liam Whaleys interview on Rebel vs Dice and for 2021 I agreed but for a 2022 Rebel SLS I do not agree at all - the 2022 SLS responds alot to technique. He was using prior years impressions without updating his view. Take the V Distributor off and use 22m lines and the kite loops beautifully.
Very interesting. I've heard through the grapevine the '22 SLS is properly amazing and in videos it looks way smoother than previous. Thanks for the info, especially on the V-diff. Will need to try to get my hands on one.

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Re: Rebel 2021 vs SLS

Postby Abaltasis » Tue Sep 20, 2022 6:27 am

dracop wrote:
Mon Sep 19, 2022 11:36 pm
Take the V Distributor off and use 22m lines and the kite loops beautifully.
Why take the V distributor off ?

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Re: Rebel 2021 vs SLS

Postby duddd » Tue Sep 20, 2022 9:15 am

Normally i would say take the 2021 Rebel as in 12m the SLS does not really have so many advantages, besides maybe going out in 2 knots lighter than what the '21 can do.
But i had the 2021 rebel and now the 2022 rebel sls (only in 8m) and i would definitely go for the SLS as the construction quality is way better. Not sure what happened, but to me the '21 builds did not seem that good.

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Re: Rebel 2021 vs SLS

Postby galzohar » Tue Sep 20, 2022 10:02 am

2 knots lighter is a lot for a kite that's going to be my biggest. Although I find it a bit difficult to believe that the difference is that big?

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Re: Rebel 2021 vs SLS

Postby galzohar » Fri Sep 23, 2022 9:21 pm

It was actually 2020 apparently. But I took it anyway as it was great (although not new) condition aside from the fabric only repairs, less than half the price of a new SLS, and a new SLS will probably take a while to order anyway, especially if I want them to order it with next shipment (which doesn't even have a date yet) if I don't want to pay extra for shipping just 1 kite. Once I am sure about the size and can negotiate a good price, and will try an SLS of a friend, then I will consider upgrading...

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Re: Rebel 2021 vs SLS

Postby galzohar » Sun Sep 25, 2022 10:24 pm

Rode it on the weekend in around 20 knots, was very strong but mostly nice. My hand hurts from holding the bar too much with that much power, hopefully it's nothing serious. At least I got that boardoff down nicely, maybe even got some photos (need to wait for photographer to upload).

I did notice the kite stalls occasionally, mostly if the wind lulls a bit while I'm trying to do a transition or otherwise get the kite dropping into the wind window. Downlooping for landing a bit jump is nearly impossible, and it's also a bit difficult to make it not stall after a loop at the end of a darkslide. Is this to be expected from a 2020 rebel or is something wrong with mine? Is this aspect improved with the SLS?

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Re: Rebel 2021 vs SLS

Postby GregK » Sun Sep 25, 2022 11:56 pm

galzohar wrote:
Sun Sep 25, 2022 10:24 pm
I did notice the kite stalls occasionally, mostly if the wind lulls a bit while I'm trying to do a transition or otherwise get the kite dropping into the wind window. Is this to be expected ... or is something wrong with .... ?
Yes, pretty well all kites will stall when flying near the bottom end of their wind range and the pilot/kiter puts it at a high angle-of-attack.

If you notice your kite stalling in light wind, pull the trim line in 3 - 5 cm ( assume it's a 2:1 adjustment thus shortening your front lines by 1.5 - 2.5 cm ). If that doesn't correct it, maybe check the tuning of your bar & lines.


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