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Re: North Orbit 2023

Postby Blackened » Tue Oct 04, 2022 10:40 pm

galzohar wrote:
Tue Oct 04, 2022 9:19 pm
On one hand I can't wait to try the 9m Orbit in the winter to see how far I can take it. With 84kg I rode my 8m FX comfortably up to 35 knot gusts, and survive with it up to about 40 knot gusts (above which I can't really go upwind, at least not in stormy conditions with big messy waves).

On the other hand that video has me a bit worried. How did they deal with this in King of the Air and the likes?
It's really underinflated. For normal weight riders in normal conditions, they get can away with the recommended pressure. For heavier riders or powered conditions, you really need to make them hard. I typically do ~11psi on my 9m and up to 13psi on my 8m (depending on the conditions). You can still get wingtip folding in big gusts, but not nearly as bad as that video.

I remember MJ saying he said he put 12-13psi in his 9m or something like that. It's why I pump the shit out of mine these days.
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Re: North Orbit 2023

Postby Blackened » Tue Oct 04, 2022 10:51 pm

galzohar wrote:
Tue Oct 04, 2022 3:49 pm
Just to understand, in super overpowered conditions (where bar pressure is already usually high), we should set it to even higher bar pressure to avoid the problem?
Also, in the video it doesn't look like that overpowered, how much was the wind?
The bar pressure on an Orbit is very light. It's not something to worry about.
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Re: North Orbit 2023

Postby Kemperman » Thu Oct 06, 2022 5:30 am

With the 7m Orbit 2021 I also have the wingtip folding just before takeoff. Only with strong winds (35+ knots). I only weight 76 kg. After I sheet the bar in the wing folding is over. I will try the harder bar setting, hopefully it wil get less.

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Re: North Orbit 2023

Postby meccaloha » Thu Oct 13, 2022 10:37 pm

Faxie wrote:
Tue Oct 04, 2022 9:29 pm
Higher barpressure helps with the folding bacause it reduces the lever distance between front and backline, and the shorter the beam the less buckling, all other things equal. It's a problem that more kites had. Shouldn't be a problem with stiffer LE material anymore.
Today I saw this clip on YouTube with a new North Orbit 2023 8m in 30kts you can see in minute 03:08 that the tips from the kite are collapsing when he is turning the kite! Maybe is the kite not pumped hard enough? or is it that he is flying it on a high V bar as Toby mentioned. as far as I can see has the 2023 Orbit has still the same problems with the folding tips. butt I will send the guy a message how hard he pumped his kite!




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Re: North Orbit 2023

Postby Toby » Thu Oct 13, 2022 10:57 pm

he uses a Core bar...maybe a different positioned V makes the difference?

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Re: North Orbit 2023

Postby Durum » Thu Oct 13, 2022 11:45 pm

This has definitely nothing to do with the position of the v and everything with construction of the kite or the pressure, since it's the wingtips that fold.
Recurring problem on north orbits and also previous versions of the ozone edge.
Even when those edges were properly inflated (9/10 PSI) they kept folding in 'high' winds(35+ knots), definitely a construction problem on those ozones.
Maybe a coincidence (or not) but both(north and ozone) are/were built using 2d ripstop and dacron.

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Re: North Orbit 2023

Postby sarc » Fri Oct 14, 2022 3:38 am

High V has a big impact on the kite behavior. It changes the angle that front lines are pulling on the LE.
About 2D ripstop, it's holding up very well on my 2020 Carve and 2021 Reach, I'm very happy with the durability of the construction. Especially compared to my 2017 Rebel that started falling apart after 2 seasons.
Can't say about 2023 especially since North has a new designer, but up to 2022 for sure I say use a proper low V bar, inflate the LE to right pressure for your style and weight, and be happy.

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Re: North Orbit 2023

Postby Durum » Fri Oct 14, 2022 2:02 pm

High V does have an impact on the angel of the kite, but not this severe.
I ride high V on all my kites (xr, SM and pivot) and haven't seen or felt any bad tendencies, I do pump them up right😁.
Yes, properly inflating is something everybody should do🤷‍♂️.
But again I do prefer a kite that has a recommended pressure of 8-9 instead of 6-7 PSI 🥴, gives me more confidence quality wise.

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Re: North Orbit 2023

Postby kitexpert » Fri Oct 14, 2022 2:12 pm

sarc wrote:
Fri Oct 14, 2022 3:38 am
High V has a big impact on the kite behavior. It changes the angle that front lines are pulling on the LE.
BS :roll:
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Re: North Orbit 2023

Postby Dutchman » Fri Oct 14, 2022 2:22 pm

The kite on the pictures is a 2022 version. They don’t have a green version this year. The yellow is 2023 but is different then the one that’s being flew.


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