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Re: Political situation in Brazil

Postby Toby » Wed Nov 23, 2022 2:02 am

just heard it too, 260.000 machines can not be accessed, so they want them to be cancelled. And then of course a new election would be needed...

Which is within the constitution. And if they don't get cancelled, you know what will be next...because the military defends the constitution.

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Re: Political situation in Brazil

Postby Kamikuza » Wed Nov 23, 2022 10:05 am

Toby wrote:
Wed Nov 23, 2022 2:02 am
just heard it too, 260.000 machines can not be accessed, so they want them to be cancelled. And then of course a new election would be needed...

Which is within the constitution. And if they don't get cancelled, you know what will be next...because the military defends the constitution.
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Re: Political situation in Brazil

Postby Havre » Wed Nov 23, 2022 12:09 pm

No need to check - as we all know only losers of elections "complain" because they have lost :lol:

Not saying this has to be the case or a problem - but hilarious that today you can't even question things without being called a "conspiracy theorist" or "QAnon".

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Re: Political situation in Brazil

Postby BenBen » Thu Nov 24, 2022 11:10 am

I guess it s more hilarious, that some people see a conspiracy everywhere. It s really necessary to check if everything in a vote process is fair and so on, but it s hilarious to always think it's a conspiracy when you lose. Damn, it s just the majority who made their choices. That s cool. Why is it always the same kind of politician who complain about votes? Is it because they simply don't believe in democracy?

By the way, the court in Brazil checked the vote and rejects the election challenge regarding the "not properly working election machines". Guess what: they worked perfectly fine and the judges even fined Bolsonaros party for “bad faith litigation.” Maybe it's time to accept the vote and to respect the court. In a righteous state it s the law that protects the constitution and not the military.
As always: there will be a next vote. Better luck next time. Now it s time to work together for your land. Cause that's what it s about: the future of the planet and maybe your country, not a single politician or political party. We re all in this together.

https://edition.cnn.com/2022/11/23/amer ... index.html
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Re: Political situation in Brazil

Postby Toby » Thu Nov 24, 2022 11:27 am

Don’t believe foreign media and mainstream Brazilian…

Rather found out who is in jail for corruption, and who was?
What does media write about this? Who is censoring content?
Why don’t they give access to control the machines? It’s law.

And many more.

And talk to Brazilians. You will get a lot more info. Like our Brazilian friend on here writes. You won’t read this anywhere abroad nor mainstream Brazilian media. Censored and political view…

So far all is calm and life goes on, wind is good and it is warm.

Stay tuned for updates.
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Re: Political situation in Brazil

Postby knotwindy » Thu Nov 24, 2022 5:23 pm

BenBen wrote:
Thu Nov 24, 2022 11:10 am
I guess it s more hilarious, that some people see a conspiracy everywhere. It s really necessary to check if everything in a vote process is fair and so on, but it s hilarious to always think it's a conspiracy when you lose. Damn, it s just the majority who made their choices. That s cool. Why is it always the same kind of politician who complain about votes? Is it because they simply don't believe in democracy?

By the way, the court in Brazil checked the vote and rejects the election challenge regarding the "not properly working election machines". Guess what: they worked perfectly fine and the judges even fined Bolsonaros party for “bad faith litigation.” Maybe it's time to accept the vote and to respect the court. In a righteous state it s the law that protects the constitution and not the military.
As always: there will be a next vote. Better luck next time. Now it s time to work together for your land. Cause that's what it s about: the future of the planet and maybe your country, not a single politician or political party. We re all in this together.

https://edition.cnn.com/2022/11/23/amer ... index.html
Really, could you possibly be any more naive. These days the difference between a ‘conspiracy’ and the truth is about 6 months. :allbegood:

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Re: Political situation in Brazil

Postby Flyingseb » Thu Nov 24, 2022 5:42 pm

knotwindy wrote:
Thu Nov 24, 2022 5:23 pm
BenBen wrote:
Thu Nov 24, 2022 11:10 am
I guess it s more hilarious, that some people see a conspiracy everywhere. It s really necessary to check if everything in a vote process is fair and so on, but it s hilarious to always think it's a conspiracy when you lose. Damn, it s just the majority who made their choices. That s cool. Why is it always the same kind of politician who complain about votes? Is it because they simply don't believe in democracy?

By the way, the court in Brazil checked the vote and rejects the election challenge regarding the "not properly working election machines". Guess what: they worked perfectly fine and the judges even fined Bolsonaros party for “bad faith litigation.” Maybe it's time to accept the vote and to respect the court. In a righteous state it s the law that protects the constitution and not the military.
As always: there will be a next vote. Better luck next time. Now it s time to work together for your land. Cause that's what it s about: the future of the planet and maybe your country, not a single politician or political party. We re all in this together.

https://edition.cnn.com/2022/11/23/amer ... index.html
Really, could you possibly be any more naive. These days the difference between a ‘conspiracy’ and the truth is about 6 months. :allbegood:
Then, can you tell us which conspiracy theory has been proved right, recently?

Besides this, having all the people around you being the same opinion than you, doesn’t mean that it is the preponderant opinion. This is somewhat a cognition bias.
Please don’t try to make us believe that every Brazilian is sad about the election result. You know it’s wrong. Just, you think that they are probably more than the others ( the happy ones), which is far from officially proven.
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Re: Political situation in Brazil

Postby Havre » Thu Nov 24, 2022 5:49 pm

1) Hunter Biden’s laptop

We could go on.

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Re: Political situation in Brazil

Postby knotwindy » Thu Nov 24, 2022 6:51 pm

To clarify a bit
I wasn’t picking ‘a side’ to disparage (as if there are only 2)
There are just 2 making the most noise right now and seem to be directly opposed to each other
Everyone is calling out everyone on the other side as a ‘conspiracy’
This is mostly due to media coverage, who and how often they can push to sell more noise and conflict
That is their job these days after all, sell what sells and for whoever will pay them the most
Believing either side seems counterproductive as they are both
Short sighted, mean spirited, bullying, power hungry, criminal trolls
In Brazil as in other places these days

But carry on as usual as it is working so well

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Re: Political situation in Brazil

Postby rnelias » Thu Nov 24, 2022 6:57 pm

Flyingseb wrote:
Thu Nov 24, 2022 5:42 pm
Then, can you tell us which conspiracy theory has been proved right, recently?

Besides this, having all the people around you being the same opinion than you, doesn’t mean that it is the preponderant opinion. This is somewhat a cognition bias.
Please don’t try to make us believe that every Brazilian is sad about the election result. You know it’s wrong. Just, you think that they are probably more than the others ( the happy ones), which is far from officially proven.
If you don't live here, you probably know nothing about the popularity of both candidates. Bolsonaro was dagging huge crowds in any apparition he made duting campaign. If you know Brasilia, our capital, that's even visible from space due to its architecture, you'll have an idea of how many people is necessary to cover our esplanade of ministeries ("esplanada dos ministérios" ).

This is the mass of people I'm talking about



It was in last september 7th, our independence day (from Portugal). This place is 455k square yards! At least 1/5 was packed of people. I've never seen such a huge crowd in our capital. Our supreme court prohibited Bolsonaro to use these images in his campaign. It was massive!

while Lula had only some shy rallies with just a few of supporters. Including some paid ones. Most of the places that Lula went, he was received by a crowd calling him as a thief, gangster and a bunch of bad words.

Bolsonaro elected most of the congressmen, senators and governors he supported.

It's sounds at least strange how he got the votes he had. Where do they supporters were hidden?

The main problem here was not loose the election but loose our democracy. We don't have legal judging system anymore. Alexandre de Moraes buried our constitution. We can't even express ourselves anymore because the supreme court ministers are prohibiting any action they think is a threat against them. We're following exactly the same path as Chavez did in Venezuela. He ruled the country using the supreme court. Our supreme court could put Lula back in prison and leave Geraldo Alckmin (Lula's VP) assume as president. It would pacify the country but if they push Lula as president, people will not give up to fight against this mess.


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