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Re: Windrange on foil - what kite to get?

Postby Shivix » Mon Feb 12, 2024 12:13 pm

grigorib wrote:
Sun Feb 11, 2024 7:25 pm
alekbelia wrote:
Sun Feb 11, 2024 9:06 am
grigorib wrote:
Sat Feb 10, 2024 11:56 pm
I meant ability to do a well controlled depowered loop.
It depends on the kite as well as the kiter.
A good kite can do different loops, but only if it is flown by a good kiter.
I flew bunch of kites and for foiling I know how did UFO/Ghost/Reo/Razor/Rally/Turbine/SST/Kahoona/RallyGT behaved in tack/360 with a loop. Some kites are generating way more power in a loop than you want and some are very manageable. SST and UFO belong to the last category for sure.
With all the experience I still choose gear that is less struggle to deal with. It is fun to try other kites too for reassurance :)
What windrange would I realistically get out of a 6m wavekite youd say? (Sst for example). Might look at a 6 and 8 :-)

Or a 5 and 7m airush ultra?

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Re: Windrange on foil - what kite to get?

Postby Turbaani » Mon Feb 12, 2024 1:40 pm

Blackened wrote:
Mon Feb 12, 2024 1:19 am
Peter_Frank wrote:
Sun Feb 11, 2024 4:46 pm
Nobody needs to make loops or downloops - so if "fear" from the powerspike, just dont loop the kite.

And see powerlooping as an advantage in marginal or lighter winds, or just for fun blasting downwind :thumb:

But as said, a kite with power in loops has disadvantages when foiling.

8) Peter
I agree in marginal winds it's really helpful to have that power to get you out of the water. Especially when you're a heavyweight trying in like 10kn. The downside of most LEI single struts I've used is that you can collapse the leading edge really easily.
How heavy are we talking about? I ride ultras with 82kg, sometimes very powered and never had any problems with the kite.

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Re: Windrange on foil - what kite to get?

Postby Turbaani » Mon Feb 12, 2024 1:43 pm

Shivix wrote:
Mon Feb 12, 2024 12:13 pm
grigorib wrote:
Sun Feb 11, 2024 7:25 pm
alekbelia wrote:
Sun Feb 11, 2024 9:06 am

It depends on the kite as well as the kiter.
A good kite can do different loops, but only if it is flown by a good kiter.
I flew bunch of kites and for foiling I know how did UFO/Ghost/Reo/Razor/Rally/Turbine/SST/Kahoona/RallyGT behaved in tack/360 with a loop. Some kites are generating way more power in a loop than you want and some are very manageable. SST and UFO belong to the last category for sure.
With all the experience I still choose gear that is less struggle to deal with. It is fun to try other kites too for reassurance :)
What windrange would I realistically get out of a 6m wavekite youd say? (Sst for example). Might look at a 6 and 8 :-)

Or a 5 and 7m airush ultra?
To ops question, I would also recommend 9 ultra for 11-19 kts with 840cm2 foil. If you have bigger foil maybe 8m. 8 wave kite can be too small since ultra pulls more then heavier kites.

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Re: Windrange on foil - what kite to get?

Postby grigorib » Mon Feb 12, 2024 3:08 pm

Shivix wrote:
Mon Feb 12, 2024 12:13 pm
grigorib wrote:
Sun Feb 11, 2024 7:25 pm
alekbelia wrote:
Sun Feb 11, 2024 9:06 am

It depends on the kite as well as the kiter.
A good kite can do different loops, but only if it is flown by a good kiter.
I flew bunch of kites and for foiling I know how did UFO/Ghost/Reo/Razor/Rally/Turbine/SST/Kahoona/RallyGT behaved in tack/360 with a loop. Some kites are generating way more power in a loop than you want and some are very manageable. SST and UFO belong to the last category for sure.
With all the experience I still choose gear that is less struggle to deal with. It is fun to try other kites too for reassurance :)
What windrange would I realistically get out of a 6m wavekite youd say? (Sst for example). Might look at a 6 and 8 :-)

Or a 5 and 7m airush ultra?
SST delivers less power than UFO and is meant to be powered more than the UFO.

It has soft looping, is slightly heavier than the UFO and in small sizes works well for foiling. I wouldn’t use the 8m for foiling because it would feel heavy and slow and not lightwindish compared to UFO.

At your weight and with 683s you can ride them in as little as 13 and 11 knots and you’d start being overpowered at 22 and 20 knots, yet with a surfboard those numbers would go up quite a lot.
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Re: Windrange on foil - what kite to get?

Postby rnelias » Mon Feb 12, 2024 4:09 pm

Shivix wrote:
Mon Feb 12, 2024 12:13 pm

What windrange would I realistically get out of a 6m wavekite youd say? (Sst for example). Might look at a 6 and 8 :-)

Or a 5 and 7m airush ultra?
I'm 75kg and my front wing is 950cm^2, with this SST 6m I can ride from 14 to, maybe, 22k. This day it was 14k and 18-20k in the high-end but never had the chance to ride with this kite in more wind.
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It has soft looping, is slightly heavier than the UFO and in small sizes works well for foiling. I wouldn’t use the 8m for foiling because it would feel heavy and slow and not lightwindish compared to UFO.
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Perfect! :thumb:

The SST 6m is not a heavy kite but it's heavier than an UFO 8m and the UFO gives a better low end, and probably a better high end too. UFO's can be magically depowered :lol: it's hard to explain...
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Re: Windrange on foil - what kite to get?

Postby Shivix » Mon Feb 12, 2024 7:08 pm

grigorib wrote:
Mon Feb 12, 2024 3:08 pm
Shivix wrote:
Mon Feb 12, 2024 12:13 pm
grigorib wrote:
Sun Feb 11, 2024 7:25 pm


I flew bunch of kites and for foiling I know how did UFO/Ghost/Reo/Razor/Rally/Turbine/SST/Kahoona/RallyGT behaved in tack/360 with a loop. Some kites are generating way more power in a loop than you want and some are very manageable. SST and UFO belong to the last category for sure.
With all the experience I still choose gear that is less struggle to deal with. It is fun to try other kites too for reassurance :)
What windrange would I realistically get out of a 6m wavekite youd say? (Sst for example). Might look at a 6 and 8 :-)

Or a 5 and 7m airush ultra?
SST delivers less power than UFO and is meant to be powered more than the UFO.

It has soft looping, is slightly heavier than the UFO and in small sizes works well for foiling. I wouldn’t use the 8m for foiling because it would feel heavy and slow and not lightwindish compared to UFO.

At your weight and with 683s you can ride them in as little as 13 and 11 knots and you’d start being overpowered at 22 and 20 knots, yet with a surfboard those numbers would go up quite a lot.
11-20 is that for the 7 ultra or the 8 sst? :)

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Re: Windrange on foil - what kite to get?

Postby grigorib » Mon Feb 12, 2024 7:26 pm

Shivix wrote:
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11-20 is that for the 7 ultra or the 8 sst? :)
8 SST
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Re: Windrange on foil - what kite to get?

Postby Blackened » Tue Feb 13, 2024 7:54 am

Turbaani wrote:
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How heavy are we talking about? I ride ultras with 82kg, sometimes very powered and never had any problems with the kite.
~100kg

I recently borrowed an older Ultra and collapsed that as well. It was pumped hard.

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Re: Windrange on foil - what kite to get?

Postby Peter_Frank » Tue Feb 13, 2024 8:20 am

Blackened wrote:
Tue Feb 13, 2024 7:54 am
Turbaani wrote:
Mon Feb 12, 2024 1:40 pm

How heavy are we talking about? I ride ultras with 82kg, sometimes very powered and never had any problems with the kite.
~100kg

I recently borrowed an older Ultra and collapsed that as well. It was pumped hard.

You mean the LE collapses under load?

Cant see how this would ever be connected to strutless or how many struts....

BUT, if one strut the design is often light, meaning the LE could be less stiff, and maybe even thinner which makes it much worse in terms of stiffness - but it will perform a lot better.

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Re: Windrange on foil - what kite to get?

Postby Blackened » Tue Feb 13, 2024 9:35 am

Peter_Frank wrote:
Tue Feb 13, 2024 8:20 am

You mean the LE collapses under load?

Cant see how this would ever be connected to strutless or how many struts....

BUT, if one strut the design is often light, meaning the LE could be less stiff, and maybe even thinner which makes it much worse in terms of stiffness - but it will perform a lot better.

8) Peter
Sorry, I should've said the wingtip collapses during heavy load or during loops.


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